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October 23, 2011: The Next Big Day of Reckoning

Martin D. Weiss Ph.D. | Monday, October 17, 2011 at 7:30 am

Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.

This coming Sunday, October 23, will go down in history as one of the most important days of the 21st century.

On that day, the leaders of 27 European countries will meet. They will announce a new master plan to save Europe. And then they will pray.

If their plan is not good enough, U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warns that Europe — and the entire world — could face “cascading default,” “bank runs,” and “catastrophic risk.”

Polish Finance Minister Jacek Rostowski says the euro-zone crisis is already suffering “a run on the sovereigns” — a mass exodus by investors from sovereign bonds.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel also openly admit the vast challenges they face. They know they have just six days left. And they know that before their time is up, they must find a way to …

• put Greece out of its misery with an “orderly default” …

• expand the firepower of Europe’s bailout fund for Spain, Italy and other European countries on a collision course with default, and …

• pump massive amounts of capital into European megabanks on the brink of collapse.

On October 23, Europe’s leaders hope they can do ALL this in one fell swoop.

But don’t be fooled!

Any New European Rescue Plan, No Matter How Big and Bold, Is Bound Cause an Even Greater Debt Catastrophe

Here’s why …

First, they’re running out of time! The crisis is already too far gone — Greek bonds trading at 40 cents on the dollar, Spain and Italy in a death spiral, and massive damage to the continent’s megabanks already done.

They can’t turn back the clock. And they’re nearly out of time.

Second, not enough money! The PIIGS countries alone have over $4 trillion in debts, much of which they’ll never be able to repay. And Europe’s troubled banks have far more.

This leaves a gaping hole that’s so large, even the richest countries in the world could not possibly fill it without gutting their own finances.

In fact, European leaders are trying so desperately to figure out where to get all that money, they’ve even asked emerging market countries to chip in.

Third, no way to stop a vicious cycle already in motion! Before they can get a dime of bailout money, the PIIGS countries must promise to drastically reduce their budget deficits.

Result: They’re forced to cut their government spending, crush their economy, kill their corporate profits, drive down their tax revenues, and, in the end, create even larger deficits.

This is why Greece is sinking so fast. And this is why, despite its Draconian austerity measures, Greece’s deficit for the first nine months of 2011 actually GREW to 19.2 billion euros, compared to 16.65 billion euros last year.

And this is also why we’re seeing similar vicious cycles in nearly every borrower that may need a bailout — not just banks but entire nations … not merely countries like Greece and Portugal, but also far larger economies like Spain and Italy … not just PIIGS countries, but also countries in Eastern Europe and elsewhere.

Fourth, expect many more credit downgrades!

As I showed you here last week, the countries and institutions downgraded by the major credit agencies in the last two weeks alone have $7.3 trillion in debts outstanding (see chart below).

Countries and Institutions Downgraded in
Past Two Weeks Alone Have At Least

$7.3 Trillion in Total Debts Outstanding

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But the most shocking news about this crisis is not how often banks and governments have already been downgraded … it’s how many MORE deep downgrades are now on the way!

How do we know?

Because the credit agencies themselves have warned that most of the downgraded countries are now on the chopping block for still more rating cuts.

Because the government bonds of countries like Spain and Italy are already trading at prices that imply far lower ratings.

And because the cost of insuring those bonds against default has already surged to levels that also signal far lower ratings.

Moody’s itself admits that these kinds of market indicators can often warn you about coming troubles far sooner than their own ratings!

Hard to believe?

Then look at this chart from Moody’s Analytics (October 6) on the company’s sovereign debt ratings of Greece. (I’ve added the titles, but the underlying chart is from Moody’s.)

chart

The analysts at Moody’s Analytics have plotted Greek bond prices on a scale that reflects the implied rating bond investors are assuming (the green line in the chart).

Plus, they’ve done the same for default insurance premiums on Greek debt (brown line).

Well, guess what! This chart shows that …

1.) Bond investors first “downgraded” Greek debt in a big way back in the fall of 2008.

2.) Default insurance traders followed with their big “downgrade” about a year later, toward the end of 2009.

3.) Moody’s itself didn’t announce its first major downgrade until the late summer of 2010 — nearly two years after the bond markets.

4.) And it wasn’t until this summer — nearly THREE YEARS after the first bond market signal — that Moody’s finally caught up with reality, downgrading Greece to Ca.

We’ve seen a similar pattern of falling behind reality at S&P and Fitch … with their ratings on countries, banks, big manufacturing companies, municipal bond insurers and many more. (For the evidence, see the case studies in my article of May 10, 2010.)

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The lessons to be learned: When countries, banks, or any other borrower is in a death spiral …

• Moody’s and the other major rating agencies rarely give an advance warning. Instead, they lag far behind the markets.

• Eventually, they catch up with reality. Unfortunately, however, by that time, the debt is already a disaster zone and most investors have already suffered massive losses.

• If you see a country’s bond prices plunge in the open market, it can be a reliable early indicator of surging default risk.

• And if you see default insurance premiums following a similar pattern, it can be a very reliable confirming indicator. That’s why we report regularly on both here in Money and Markets.

Bottom line: These danger signs are exactly what we’ve been telling you about each week for countries like Spain, Italy, Belgium, France and EVEN GERMANY!

Why is this so important? For one simple reason:

The bigger the rescue package announced on October 23, the bigger the damage to the finances — and to the credit ratings — of the countries that must finance the rescue!

And the more their credit ratings fall, the more expensive it will be for them to raise the money.

Ultimately, even the rescuers will need a bailout of their own, but none will be forthcoming.

This is why the cost of default insurance for France and Germany is now indicating a far higher default risk than it did even during the debt crisis of 2008-2009.

This is why the bonds of most European governments have been plunging in spite — or even because — of the tall promises we’ve been hearing in recent days.

And this, my friend, is why even the “mother of all bailouts” — or whatever is announced on October 23 — cannot, I repeat CANNOT, save Europe or the euro!

Yes, politicians may persuade some folks that they’ve “finally put this crisis to rest,” as they’ve done so many times before.

And yes, Wall Street may rejoice temporarily, as they’ve also done many times before.

But that’s not the same as stability. It’s not even enough to kick the can down the road. Quite the contrary, with both Europe and the U.S. now caught in a great debt trap, all the evidence indicates that the fanfare and hoopla are nothing more than a set-up for the next major collapse.

My recommendations:

Step 1. Consider any stock market rally — in anticipation of, or in reaction to, the October 23 Europe rescue package — a trap to avoid.

Step 2. Use any such rallies as opportunities to SELL your most vulnerable shares.

Step 3. To help determine which of your stocks are likely to be the most vulnerable, use our Weiss Watchdog. You can access it from the menu bar at the top of www.moneyandmarkets.com or you can point your browser to www.weisswatchdog.com.

Step 4. Also use Weiss Watchdog to check the safety of your bank, credit union or insurance company.

Step 5. Once the bulk of your money is secure, think seriously about seeking the massive profit opportunities that can be created by precisely this kind of crisis.

Good luck and God bless!

Martin

Dr. Weiss founded Weiss Research in 1971 and has dedicated the past 40 years to helping millions of average investors find truly safe havens and investments. He is president of Weiss Ratings, the nation’s leading independent rating agency accepting no fees from rated companies. And he is the chairman of the Sound Dollar Committee, originally founded by his father in 1959 to help President Dwight D. Eisenhower balance the federal budget. His last three books have all been New York Times Bestsellers and his most recent title is The Ultimate Money Guide for Bubbles, Busts, Recesssion and Depression.

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bullsalwayswin2010 Monday, October 17, 2011 at 8:22 am

You barely alluded to the emerging market money that is going to be a big part of the rescue. It will be the IMF using Chinese and other BRIC (and of course US) money that saves the day.

It will be YEARS before your DOOMSDAY scenario even has the slightest chance of playing out…G20 is not going to let it happen.

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Buck Henry Tuesday, October 18, 2011 at 8:20 pm

What you are saying to everybody is that the BRIC (Brazil and China especially) have a good economy, they don’t. If you read up on Brazil, it’s an overheated economy and much of it’s spending is state funded and welfare (in order to get the votes). China is hiding alot about it’s economy, it’s having to essentially make work in order for it’s hundreds of millions of rural poor who come into the city not to riot. They have already have alot of riots in the country side over bad land (pollution and deserfication) and no water. That is why you hear of skyscrapers and essentially whole cities without people in it. India has it’s own problems having to deal with loss of usable land also with their 1.3 billion. And Russia I don’t know, but they are vying for control when we in the West go under like the russians did back in the late 80′s early 90′s.

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Kevin Monday, October 17, 2011 at 12:13 pm

Thanks Martin! I having been trying to gauge what kind of timetable there was to this situation coming to a head was. This answers it as well as I could hope.

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DonC Monday, October 17, 2011 at 12:15 pm

More gloom and doom from the king of the permabears…Boy, Some things never change.

Hey Marty, This rally’s just begun…I’ll see you at the Top!

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JackieLogans Monday, October 17, 2011 at 2:07 pm

“bulls . . .” and “DonC” sure have their heads buried deep in quicksand, whereas “Kevin” sees things clearly. The fact is: your analysis is spot-on — and everyone should be very worried, and act accordingly in their own best interests.

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Ron Monday, October 17, 2011 at 2:12 pm

So are we only 6 days to GLOBAL BANKRUPTCY???

Oh Goodie!

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HOUSE OF THOR Monday, October 17, 2011 at 3:08 pm

I agree you have to take advantage of overbought or oversold conditions when they exist. But some times you have to step back and look at the overall patterns and see what they are saying, you have to take time to digest the market and global information YOU HAVE TO SEE THOUGH THE THE LIES THE MIS-INFORMATION THATS CONSTANTLY THRUST UPON US….the banking industry the governments of the world… HEY DonC maybe its time for you to see through those veils of lies, you sound like your a fulltime permabull…… I dont see this as a rally I see it as a time to sell do you actually think europe will get it all together and look at the U.S. banking industry I see the same pattern on all the large banks wells fargo ,bank of america,deutsche bank ,hsbc… I watch all these REOS coming through sheriffs auction on every city in the U.S. with a pop. of 100k or higher and i see the same thing over and over 100s – 1000s of propertys every week make it through auction it usually takes 3-8 wks to get clean paper EVERY WEEK THIS HAPPENS the law firms that process the REOS ARE MAXED AND IT SEEMS LIKE ALL THESE PROPERTYS THEY GO INTO A BLACK HOLE THEY NEVER MAKE IT BACK ON THE MARKET and the reason why……… presently homes these homes are kept on the books as full T.A.V. UNTIL A BUYER IS FOUND and when a new buyer is found then the truth comes out on the books a positive number becomes a negative and a costly one too the average foreclosure It costs the banks more and more every yr to process a REO SO DONT LISTEN TO THE RATINGS INDUSTRY MOODYS GIVES A GLIMMER OF TRUTH S+P AND FITCH THEY ARE SO FAR BEHIND THE CURVE IT ABSOLUTELY CRAZY I TRUST WEISS MORE THAN I WOULD ANY OTHER RATINGS AGENCY they give more condensed factual information about the E.U. soverign debt crisis the world banking debt crises and the U.S. economy than anyone else .

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bullsalwayswin2010 Monday, October 17, 2011 at 3:38 pm

Of course they’re lying. Lying and fraud has been government policy for many years with regard to (first) housing and then (at the March 09 bottom) marking (or mis-marking) the value of assets. Letting the banks lie only works if they also put in the guarantees. This fiction works in the short term and governments hope that in time the system can correct itself.

Yes they might be delusional that things will work out in the long run, but in the short run they can buy LOTs of time. And if you go in “guns blazing” shorting the market every time you read “MARTIN AND THE DOOMERS” you’ll have to have a high tolerance for pain.

I don’t always long the market, but newbie bears should be careful and perhaps just sit out…cash is a position too…and rest assured those bulls who don’t take their money and run soon will give it all back too.

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SilverOptionsTrader Tuesday, October 18, 2011 at 11:58 am

So, let me get this straight. On the 23rd of Oct. The G-27 is going to announce that they have saved the world. I thought I heard world from Merkle’s office that we should “NOT expect the dream bailout that everyone is expecting”… Hmmm… So, “what to believe” is still the order of the day….

Let’s break this down from a trader’s perspective. I don’t care which way it goes, I just want to move decisively… If the EU says we did it and it gets a lukewarm reception then the Euro will sell off and the dollar will rally. That is NOT good for US equities or the price of Precious Metals. Therefore it is a Market Negative for us in the US Markets?
If the G-27 come out of the meetings and say they have saved the world with an obscene amount of bailout money and the markets like it, then the will the Euro rally and therefore cause the USD to sell off? This would cause Markets here to rally in a big way and Precious metals would sore.

Whatever happens here in the next few weeks is going to cause a huge move, one way or the other, here in the US and all over the world for that matter, and I think we can ALL agree on that. ALL of my money is safe except what I speculate with these days. THAT is the smart thing to do. NONE of you should have your savings invested like the rest of the sheeple…

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therooster of Christ Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 3:47 pm

It’s QE to infinity regardless of how it’s labelled. The “stick” of inflation is the only way to logically move the market over to gold-as-money (now that it floats in real-time, of course). Some evils are necessary when you “follow the script”. The severing of the fixed gold-dollar peg in 71 was for the benefit of being able to make gold a liquid currency with real-time valuation that can more effectively cover off debts. Unfortunately, the debt genie got out of the bottle at the same time. See this in this thread –> therooster of Christ October 22, 2011 pm31 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm

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Jay Tuesday, October 18, 2011 at 12:12 pm

I really can’t say what I beleive any more..

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Frances Tuesday, October 18, 2011 at 1:04 pm

It will indeed be a day to remember….Monday AM could quite possibly go down as the greatest trading day in history of Prince Edward Island…..

I’ve got a lot of “spuds on the back of Bud” riding long….I have so many inverse positions taken against the inverse ETF’s, I just can’t wait!!!!!!………..

Or?/..do ya think it’s all ready resolved in the Markets??…heh, heh, heh…..the markets will onnly go up come Monday..

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44903904

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bullsalwayswin2010 Tuesday, October 18, 2011 at 7:17 pm

I got a prediction. Western governments defecit spend, lie, and guarantee enough debt for the RALLY to conintue…by January 2012 MARTIN & the DOOMERS will be recommending commodity and emerging market ETFs again…granted they will have likely missed a huge run up by the time they do.

I’ll laugh my ass off and come back to rub it in if (when) it happens.

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Frances Tuesday, October 18, 2011 at 11:33 pm

Martin and Mike haven’t learned what a wiseman once told me……

“When your gov’t lies to you, it’s for your own good”

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HAWK Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 6:05 pm

@Frances
when you are reading the comments on Weis Network or any other opinion there is no guarantee that they are always right. But every reader has to decide on its own, to follow the advice or not. But for me the analysis of Weiss Research are rational and clear. Therefore I have respect for Martin and his team.

The opposite is true for you, when am reading your trash comments, it seems to me, that you are thinking you are the greatest and best trader of all times. But in my opinion only with your mouth.

But you can show me and all the other readers of your comments, that you are much better, than i am thinking you are. How?

Every weekday on 8:30 am before the US-Markets open, you can write a commentary on the weiss comment of the day and forecast in which direction the markets will trade and why.

But in my opinion you have not one iota of the courage from Martin and his analysts and therefore you will still write so great comments like “….the markets will onnly go up come Monday..”.

Unfortunately the markets drop last Monday but like every good bankster i give you a free advice “Buy, Buy, Buy. Do not worry, be happy, everyhing will always be fine”

Finally i want to say, that i have no relationship with weiss research. I am living in Germany thousand miles away but thanks to the internet i am able to write to you, what i am thinking about your trash comments.

Hope, i will never meet you.

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grover5995 Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 10:42 am

You can fool some people all the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time. Eventually the market will run out of buyers for this suckers rally. Unfortunately, deflation is usually the price we pay for excessive government debts. Stay in cash and wait for better buying opportunities in the next 2-3 years.

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vendeta Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 2:57 am

stock up on baked beans

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Walter Price Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 9:16 am

Martin, how does this dire situation affect the (hopefully) re-valuing of the Iraqi Dinar, as well as the other 150 + countries in line to re-value?

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Frances Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 5:39 pm

Hawk..learn to think for yourself…Germans are very good at following other people blindly..you have no idea what rational is….they must be part lemming…….

Where do you think the markets are going to be come 12-30-2011?..come on..formulate your own thoughts….rationalize it…

Don’t worry..we’ll never meet……

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Ralph Proodian Friday, October 21, 2011 at 8:32 am

Since governments are in debt the world over and their populations are more and more idle, the solution to all these debt crises is clear. Governments have to get their populations back to productive work. Goods and services are the real foundation of wealth– not paper being pushed from one desk to another. Who can eat paper? If governments wants to be solvent, they need massive revenues. And that comes from their citizens pays taxes from wages paid for doing productive work — which at the end shows at the very least a brand new screw driver.

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Bruno Ernst Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 9:34 am

Nor governments nor “back to productive work” will take place as tool to freedom of humanity.

Historically, the period in which the question was who will make the most money has come to its end. The winners take their hats and gather what they think is a prey. The old illusion of the normal, productive work, was undertaken to make the most money and not for the sake of people to be productive and therefore cannot get resumed. The winners of the competition, the ranking with money do not like challenge.

This productive work has turned into a deadly and negative, addictive one, more crap and bullshit creating than things to rise dignity. This production has turned into a destruction of this planet. There is no further path for this. Do not forget, paying for mobile connection you will pay your rent by being dead earlier.

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Bruno Ernst Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 9:34 am

Nor governments nor “back to productive work” will take place as tool to freedom of humanity.

Historically, the period in which the question was who will make the most money has come to its end. The winners take their hats and gather what they think is a prey. The old illusion of the normal, productive work, was undertaken to make the most money and not for the sake of people to be productive and therefore cannot get resumed. The winners of the competition, the ranking with money do not like challenge.

This productive work has turned into a deadly and negative, addictive one, more crap and bullshit creating than things to rise dignity. This production has turned into a destruction of this planet. There is no further path for this. Do not forget, paying for mobile connection you will pay your rent by being dead earlier.

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Rosco Friday, October 21, 2011 at 6:44 pm

Gold / Silver and the contradictions of this web site…

1. I have not hear a single peep from Martin with respect to gold, and what to expect.. What happened? WHy the radio silence all of a sudden. Gold and silver have been hot topics, and continue to be elsewhere.. A few weeks ago, so was he?? Now its non existent!

2. I find it odd that Martin and many others in the Money and Markets “brain trust” recommend that we “stay away” from equities, and to sell off everything, and if anything, to invest in Inverse ETFs because everything will drop like a brick! Yet, the other half of his brain trust is recommending that we could soon take advantage of the equities rally, and to look closely at tech stock ETFs that could soon take off…. Well, which is it? Get into stocks or avoid them??? Do the members of the so called “brain trust” even talk to each other???

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therooster of Christ Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 2:05 pm

You’re apt to be looking in the wrong direction if you think the solution to the debt crisis is the job of the elite and you’re expecting some form of a top-down solution. That’s what’s so different. It’s not just the application of what will solve the debt problem but the very structure that it occurs in. This beast must rise meaning that the solution has to be market driven from the grass roots. Monetize gold , personally …. purge debt, systemically. In goes the good money and out goes the bad in the process of fiat debt servicing. Gresham’s law only applied to bullion when its value was FIXED. Give thanks to real-time gold-as-money. We can now buy a single stick of gum from a distant land and pay for it with unencumbered bullion, debt free and do so in the twinkling of an eye.

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richard Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 3:25 pm

The whole thing is a paper money scam. Let’s all walk away like Iceland did.

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Abdu-Alraheem Hammad Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 5:20 pm

If they looking seriously to solve thier problems, they must follow the Islamic Rules and religion.

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HOUSE OF THOR Wednesday, October 26, 2011 at 11:46 pm

OK OK OK 10/23/11 and the E.U. DEAL WE ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR………………………and nothing happened so we hear this time no no no were really working on a deal to solve this insolvency crises for greece and it will all be all straightened out and voted upon on 10/26/11 and everything will be fine still nothing………………so now its supposed to be voted upon on 10/27/11 except there is one problem initially the bond holders were to take a 21% haircut………………then it became 50%………….now they want them to take a 60% haircut…………CMON……….WOULD YOU AGREE TO THAT……….I DOUBT IT…………AND WHAT YOUR NOT HEARING IS JUST WHO ARE THESE BOND HOLDERS are they you and me… average citizens…………..hmmmmm ITS NOT GREECE WHO IS HOLDING THE BONDS I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT… MAYBE ITS YOUR MONEY IN YOUR 401K PLAN, YOUR IRA, YOUR ROTH , YOUR PENSION PLAN YOUR STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS AND WHO IS IT REALLY ……….REALLY YOU KNOW WHO IT IS DONT YOU CMON ITS FRANCE ITS HOLDING A GOOD PORTION OF GREEK BONDS AND SO ARE ALL OF THE OTHER BANKS OF THE WORLD SO……..this is the question we should all be saying to ourselves is it logical to assume france can just make greek debts disappear without having FRANCE’S credit rating disappear with it………. hmmmm i dont think so OH WELL look at the bright side QE3 IS ON THE WAY YEEE HAWWWWWW……….. HERE WE GO AGAIN…. hey like GEITNER, BERNANKE AND OBAMA said ( were not worried about inflation…… what were worried about is DEINFLATION ) OK so there not concerned about spiraling out of control food prices on track this yr for about 30-35% and they are not worried about de-valueing the dollar………..raising commidity prices I GUESS WHAT THEY ARE REALLY SAYING what nobody wants to hear is that they are worried about a… fill in the blank ( ———- ) HERES A HINT it rhymes with recession another hint we havent had one of these in over 70 years

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Howard Sunday, October 30, 2011 at 6:58 am

I’ve been watching with casual interest, the competing views of the bulls and bears and find the views I get from the management of this group, offers an interesting and very worthwhile addition to the other advice I get. You all need to consider that both the risk profiles and business interests of the many readers vary widely as do their age, maturity and demographics. I remain grateful to Martin and his team for their input to uncertain times and a balanced debate.

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